Suva
06-28 05:17 PM
I think your calculation is wrong. If there are 8742 applications then it should take less than 3 years not 5 years. In the 2nd case for 14583 applications the wait would be around 5 years instead of 10-12 years. This is due to the fact that every year around 3000 visas go to EB3 category. Though this is a long wait too so either way we need legislative fix for all the cases.
For EB3 Folks with PD's in early - 2003- there are close to 8742 applicants in front of you That is a wait of 5 more years.
For EB3 Folks with PD's in mid 2003 and later - There are 14583 applicants in line before you- That is a wait of 10-12 more years.
Now the only way forward will be to lobby with IV for a legislative fix. Apart from that there is just no option, the sooner people realise that and help IV with advocacy, the better results we will get.
For EB3 Folks with PD's in early - 2003- there are close to 8742 applicants in front of you That is a wait of 5 more years.
For EB3 Folks with PD's in mid 2003 and later - There are 14583 applicants in line before you- That is a wait of 10-12 more years.
Now the only way forward will be to lobby with IV for a legislative fix. Apart from that there is just no option, the sooner people realise that and help IV with advocacy, the better results we will get.
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learning01
02-01 07:12 PM
please give me a link or a web site. You see I have lost touch.
go to HR 2 and click on the link to "All Congressional Actions with Amendments"
Then search for Senate Amendment 187.
go to HR 2 and click on the link to "All Congressional Actions with Amendments"
Then search for Senate Amendment 187.
koteswari
06-28 07:54 AM
Is it possible to get data on the number of people who have moved to eb2 so that some of the eb3 numbers get released?
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samnay
05-15 02:11 PM
Do you also need to have medical examination results ready when you file for 485 or they are sent in later?
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05-03 09:13 PM
PD : 19 May 2006
Application was at NSC
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illinois_alum
08-05 11:37 AM
Naa.. Lots of people including me never received CPO email. For such instances, CPO email will take a while (may be an issue with expired Biometrics..etc). The wait continues for some more time to see the actual cards in the mail. There is a dedicated thread on this issue on .
There is no consistency with USCIS' process (or at least none that we can infer). For me and my wife, we only received the CPO emails. We haven't received any emails or updates that they have sent us a notice about registering us an Perm Residents...
There is no consistency with USCIS' process (or at least none that we can infer). For me and my wife, we only received the CPO emails. We haven't received any emails or updates that they have sent us a notice about registering us an Perm Residents...
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thomachan72
04-07 01:12 PM
Why do I get a feeling you are incapable of digesting the concept of "Law of the land". There are certain rules that govern PR & Citizenship statuses ( of all countries)and only land mark & ground breaking edicts can alter such law�s , and that too very slightly. To put it were tersely "this is a bullshit suggestion" and is really wasting the purpose of this forum. The only reason so many people have responded is that it is "THAT RIDICULOUS"
Hallo Sir, with all due respects, if you read carefully what the original post was, you would understand that its just another frustration arising from an individual who has / would spend around 40-50% of the avg productive life to achieve identification with the country he/she has contributed tremendously. Here nor the degree matters nor the salary matters, what matters is as he mentioned how many years you have been legally permitted to remain in this country. Regarding law of land, remember that the US is very close to permitting aprox 11 million undocumented people the road to permanent residency and citizenship. For which I believe a 10 year waiting period has been prescribed with fine payment. If such a rule can be thought of, why not count the number of years you/me are in this country working to enrich the economy + maintaining the inflow of cash into the social security/medicare etc. Please dont mininterpret me to be against the policy of granting legal status to undomented workers, definetely not. Now whether what the initial post suggests is ever going to happen is questionable, but his/her request for more respect is very much justified. Nobody (doesn't matter whether you are a junior/senior/moderator) has the right to ridicule another persons opinion unless that post is deliberately aimed at ciritisizing the IV agenda. Please honor each others freedom of thought and expression, OK. Thanks.
Hallo Sir, with all due respects, if you read carefully what the original post was, you would understand that its just another frustration arising from an individual who has / would spend around 40-50% of the avg productive life to achieve identification with the country he/she has contributed tremendously. Here nor the degree matters nor the salary matters, what matters is as he mentioned how many years you have been legally permitted to remain in this country. Regarding law of land, remember that the US is very close to permitting aprox 11 million undocumented people the road to permanent residency and citizenship. For which I believe a 10 year waiting period has been prescribed with fine payment. If such a rule can be thought of, why not count the number of years you/me are in this country working to enrich the economy + maintaining the inflow of cash into the social security/medicare etc. Please dont mininterpret me to be against the policy of granting legal status to undomented workers, definetely not. Now whether what the initial post suggests is ever going to happen is questionable, but his/her request for more respect is very much justified. Nobody (doesn't matter whether you are a junior/senior/moderator) has the right to ridicule another persons opinion unless that post is deliberately aimed at ciritisizing the IV agenda. Please honor each others freedom of thought and expression, OK. Thanks.
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Took about 3 weeks. I submitted everything by courier to Houston CGI. I did not get any message saying that they had recieved the passport or that they had started; after 3 weeks the return courier just magically had my new passport.
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JTras
10-24 11:54 PM
This is may case:
1. My Contact Information: (Email: Jtrasmontes@yahoo.com; First & Last Name: Jorge Trasmonte and Phone Number 202-8343844 cell)
2. State Where You Live: Virginia
3. Your Employment-Based Category: EB3
4. Your Country of Origin: OTHER (Peru)
5. Your Child's Date of Birth: 02/15/1985
6. Your Case Priority Date: 09/08/2005
7. Date Visa was available: 07/01/2007
8. Date DOL approved your Labor Certification: 02/14/2006
9. Date I-140 was sent: 02/14/2006
10. Date I-140 was approved: 08/02/2007
11. Anything Else You may Want to Add:
Trying to change her visa to a F1. Her I94 expires o Dec.20,2007.
1. My Contact Information: (Email: Jtrasmontes@yahoo.com; First & Last Name: Jorge Trasmonte and Phone Number 202-8343844 cell)
2. State Where You Live: Virginia
3. Your Employment-Based Category: EB3
4. Your Country of Origin: OTHER (Peru)
5. Your Child's Date of Birth: 02/15/1985
6. Your Case Priority Date: 09/08/2005
7. Date Visa was available: 07/01/2007
8. Date DOL approved your Labor Certification: 02/14/2006
9. Date I-140 was sent: 02/14/2006
10. Date I-140 was approved: 08/02/2007
11. Anything Else You may Want to Add:
Trying to change her visa to a F1. Her I94 expires o Dec.20,2007.
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03-02 12:11 PM
Not sure if I can attend the event but will definitely try to. Honestly every single person in the same boat should attend this. The event in 2007 changed the life of so many people and it is once in a lifetime thing. Let's make it happen again.
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forever_waiting
01-12 08:16 PM
Grass-roots advocacy means advocacy at ground level
Glad you finally realized it.
case in point PAPPU the admin who is the only admin i see on the forum since he is eb3
Yes, and pappu actually works actively for IV provisions and guides us, instead of complaining and making senseless NOISE like you are.
i would classify you as a idT iot if you have NOT realised that from my first post that all i have talking about is "more should be done for EB3" and not "no one is doing anything for EB3". If you have not realised that you are an a person who is blinded by your own Stupidness.
I thought you did not believe in name-calling. Looks like you change your opinions and stance as per your convenience and frustrations.
EB2 consider themselves superior to EB3
This is an empty claim created by you alone due to your paranoia. Its all inside your head. Again.. empty vessels make lot of noise.
You dont have to wish EB3 folks good luck because we make our own luck (God when i see your bigoted ass get a gc we will well rid of you
Very mature, my friend. Hope you get the good sense to stop abusing folks here and actually doing some good for the overall EB cause. Stop spreading these conspiracy theories and fears..we all have enough on our hands already. You DO NOT represent EB3 here. You are just a frustrated and embarassed person trying to hide behind your username and venting out against some hypothetical problem you have created in your head. Please get some help.
And spare us another 1000 word essay. I think we have heard enough. Find another place to get some therapy.
Grass-roots advocacy means advocacy at ground level.
Ground level in political terms means opinion of actual worker who is doing the work and in this case it would be all the people who are actually doing the work of meeting meeting law makers and to explain retrogresssion to them. That would be the donors and people like you who have our respect. For a grass root level advocacy to work an organization has to be made up of grass root worker. Grass root workers are the people at the bottom of totem pole. In our case that would be EB3 workers now we all know that EB2 workers when they get their green card dissapear from the forum and leaves the EB3 guys to carry the burden (case in point PAPPU the admin who is the only admin i see on the forum since he is eb3) . So finally we are left to handle the IV Movement movind forward. Now if i was an organizer of a movement i would make sure that all the points made by the organisation is directed towards allaying the concern of people who have been impacted most by retrogration (BTW that would be Eb3 guys and not EB23 who by their god given right have first preference over everything and wil get residency soon because they are a preffered catefgory).
i would classify you as a idT iot if you have NOT realised that from my first post that all i have talking about is "more should be done for EB3" and not "no one is doing anything for EB3". If you have not realised that you are an a person who is blinded by your own Stupidness.
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EB3 workers understand advocacy (Please do NOT think we are people who have to be lead by someone who thinks they are intellectually superior(yes i am talking about EBS persons). You are the same as us so this EB2 and EBS classification is redumbent and moot)
yes this discussion has been entertaining because it has lead to a revelation that EB2 consider themselves superior to EB3 and you do not get to say when this discussison ends because you are short time oppurtunist and your word has not value
Even a coolie knows that after working harde whole day he will be paid at the end of the day but EB3 folks will not
get that satisfaction till all EB2 get their green cards
You dont have to wish EB3 folks good luck because we make our own luck (God when i see your bigoted ass get a gc we will well rid of you)
Glad you finally realized it.
case in point PAPPU the admin who is the only admin i see on the forum since he is eb3
Yes, and pappu actually works actively for IV provisions and guides us, instead of complaining and making senseless NOISE like you are.
i would classify you as a idT iot if you have NOT realised that from my first post that all i have talking about is "more should be done for EB3" and not "no one is doing anything for EB3". If you have not realised that you are an a person who is blinded by your own Stupidness.
I thought you did not believe in name-calling. Looks like you change your opinions and stance as per your convenience and frustrations.
EB2 consider themselves superior to EB3
This is an empty claim created by you alone due to your paranoia. Its all inside your head. Again.. empty vessels make lot of noise.
You dont have to wish EB3 folks good luck because we make our own luck (God when i see your bigoted ass get a gc we will well rid of you
Very mature, my friend. Hope you get the good sense to stop abusing folks here and actually doing some good for the overall EB cause. Stop spreading these conspiracy theories and fears..we all have enough on our hands already. You DO NOT represent EB3 here. You are just a frustrated and embarassed person trying to hide behind your username and venting out against some hypothetical problem you have created in your head. Please get some help.
And spare us another 1000 word essay. I think we have heard enough. Find another place to get some therapy.
Grass-roots advocacy means advocacy at ground level.
Ground level in political terms means opinion of actual worker who is doing the work and in this case it would be all the people who are actually doing the work of meeting meeting law makers and to explain retrogresssion to them. That would be the donors and people like you who have our respect. For a grass root level advocacy to work an organization has to be made up of grass root worker. Grass root workers are the people at the bottom of totem pole. In our case that would be EB3 workers now we all know that EB2 workers when they get their green card dissapear from the forum and leaves the EB3 guys to carry the burden (case in point PAPPU the admin who is the only admin i see on the forum since he is eb3) . So finally we are left to handle the IV Movement movind forward. Now if i was an organizer of a movement i would make sure that all the points made by the organisation is directed towards allaying the concern of people who have been impacted most by retrogration (BTW that would be Eb3 guys and not EB23 who by their god given right have first preference over everything and wil get residency soon because they are a preffered catefgory).
i would classify you as a idT iot if you have NOT realised that from my first post that all i have talking about is "more should be done for EB3" and not "no one is doing anything for EB3". If you have not realised that you are an a person who is blinded by your own Stupidness.
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EB3 workers understand advocacy (Please do NOT think we are people who have to be lead by someone who thinks they are intellectually superior(yes i am talking about EBS persons). You are the same as us so this EB2 and EBS classification is redumbent and moot)
yes this discussion has been entertaining because it has lead to a revelation that EB2 consider themselves superior to EB3 and you do not get to say when this discussison ends because you are short time oppurtunist and your word has not value
Even a coolie knows that after working harde whole day he will be paid at the end of the day but EB3 folks will not
get that satisfaction till all EB2 get their green cards
You dont have to wish EB3 folks good luck because we make our own luck (God when i see your bigoted ass get a gc we will well rid of you)
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flthere
07-13 12:13 PM
I read that there are 2800 EB3-I visas a year, or about 233 visas per month. Assuming there are about 700 numbers available for the rest of the year 2010, using the data in the latest May-2010 I485 inventory, the calculation is pretty straight n easy with no spillover calculations involved ... here is a possible progress of the PD:
Sep-2010 : 10-Dec-2001
Sep-2011 : 31-May-2002
Sep-2012 : 15-Sep-2002
Sep-2013 : 01-Jan-2003
Sep-2014 : 01-Apr-2003
From there on the numbers are huge per month - about thousand pending 485 per month ... it'll continue at less than snail pace :D
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5790/india485pending.jpg
USCIS proved my progress prediction as wrong ... Per Aug-10 visa bulletin, the dates already moved to 01-JAN-02 whereas I was guessing that by Sep-10 it'll move to 10-Dec-2001.
Guess they'll just move it forward just to attempt to use up all available numbers. Neverthless it's positive for many who have been waiting. But it just makes the future predictions tougher. Lets wait for Sep-10 visa bulletin and then do another round of predictions after the I485 inventory is released.
Sep-2010 : 10-Dec-2001
Sep-2011 : 31-May-2002
Sep-2012 : 15-Sep-2002
Sep-2013 : 01-Jan-2003
Sep-2014 : 01-Apr-2003
From there on the numbers are huge per month - about thousand pending 485 per month ... it'll continue at less than snail pace :D
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5790/india485pending.jpg
USCIS proved my progress prediction as wrong ... Per Aug-10 visa bulletin, the dates already moved to 01-JAN-02 whereas I was guessing that by Sep-10 it'll move to 10-Dec-2001.
Guess they'll just move it forward just to attempt to use up all available numbers. Neverthless it's positive for many who have been waiting. But it just makes the future predictions tougher. Lets wait for Sep-10 visa bulletin and then do another round of predictions after the I485 inventory is released.
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05-10 02:48 PM
I 485 approved.
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vallabhu
11-28 02:44 PM
This information helps, my application received date is 10/30 so may be another week away.
I received my new Passport today. Applied by mail at CGI Houston.
Application RD: Oct 26th, 2007
Passport Date of Issue: Nov 22, 2007
Passport Mailed by Fedex: Nov 27th, 2007 (I included $20 express mail fee)
Passport Received: Nov 28th, 2007
I received my new Passport today. Applied by mail at CGI Houston.
Application RD: Oct 26th, 2007
Passport Date of Issue: Nov 22, 2007
Passport Mailed by Fedex: Nov 27th, 2007 (I included $20 express mail fee)
Passport Received: Nov 28th, 2007
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delhirocks
06-14 03:02 PM
I don't know much about the process...but can't you just scrap your old labor...file with PERM (15 day preperation time, 1 mth Ads, 1 mth waiting period -- puts you in sept 1st), Labor cleared in 3 weeks (sep 21st) and then file 140 & 485 together. Might cost you like 10,000, but in my books its totaly worth it, if you & your wife get an ead even 6 mths earlier.
Years we have been told priority date establishes your place in the queue.
We have spurned job offers and declined the new PERM process to hold on to the priority dates.
Many are still awaiting labor certifications from the backlog elimination centers. Out comes USCIS and says everyone with a LC can file I140 & I485.
People still waiting for LC with priority dates in 2003-2004 are seeing applicants who have priority dates as late as 2007 but with approved LCs through PERM walk through to I485.
Net result, USCIS is going to be flooded with applicants enough to retrogress the priority dates 3-4 years back as early as september. (Everybody with a LC will be able to file for I485 in July). So applicants with priority dates of 2007 are going to get EAD and GC, while LC backlogged 2003 applicants to have to wait for another 3-4 years before they can even file I485.
Aint fair. Aint fair at all. How can this be. How can rules be changed in the middle of the game.
Years we have been told priority date establishes your place in the queue.
We have spurned job offers and declined the new PERM process to hold on to the priority dates.
Many are still awaiting labor certifications from the backlog elimination centers. Out comes USCIS and says everyone with a LC can file I140 & I485.
People still waiting for LC with priority dates in 2003-2004 are seeing applicants who have priority dates as late as 2007 but with approved LCs through PERM walk through to I485.
Net result, USCIS is going to be flooded with applicants enough to retrogress the priority dates 3-4 years back as early as september. (Everybody with a LC will be able to file for I485 in July). So applicants with priority dates of 2007 are going to get EAD and GC, while LC backlogged 2003 applicants to have to wait for another 3-4 years before they can even file I485.
Aint fair. Aint fair at all. How can this be. How can rules be changed in the middle of the game.
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Humhongekamyab
08-05 04:26 PM
Update from Infopass at Cleveland office - We were told that our files are with an officer right now. Also, we called to speak with a rep. and were told that our Service Request will be processed on August 18th (we initiated it on August 3rd). Apart from this, we have contacted both our senators and congressman. In addition, I sent an email to NCSCfollowup.nsc@dhs.gov and got a standard reply. I think I have fired on all cylinders and will be hoping that one of them will work.
Keep us posted.
I spoke with IO on 3rd, initiated SR on 4th, initiated congressional request today i.e. 5th. My Infopass is on 11th. Will complete 10 years in US on 13th. Birthday few days after that. So I guess something should work...ROFL...
PD: December 2005.
Keep us posted.
I spoke with IO on 3rd, initiated SR on 4th, initiated congressional request today i.e. 5th. My Infopass is on 11th. Will complete 10 years in US on 13th. Birthday few days after that. So I guess something should work...ROFL...
PD: December 2005.
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06-22 10:43 PM
CALIFORNIA IMMIGRATION LAW FIRM FILES CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT AGAINST USCIS ON BEHALF OF IMMIGRANTS
Posted on: 6/20/2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Los Angeles � Reeves & Associates, A Professional Law Corporation filed a class action lawsuit today in the U.S. District Court, Central District CA, Case Number SACV08-688 JVX (SHx) on behalf of tens of thousands of immigrant families whose adult children have been wrongfully denied of visas. Attorneys for the families are seeking to compel the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (�USCIS�) to act in accordance with the provision of Child Status Protection Act (CSPA) that enables children to reunite with their families more quickly.
Prior to CSPA children who reached the age of 21 were no longer eligible to obtain an immigrant visa with the rest of their family. These children became known as �age-outs.� However, Congress enacted Section 3 of CSPA, codified as INA � 203(h)(3), to keep children together with their parents. Specifically, this provision allowed children to automatically convert the visa petition and retain the original filing date � known as the priority date � after the child had aged out. As such, an aged-out child, who is a derivative beneficiary of the visa petition of his parent, can reunite with their family faster by utilizing their parent�s earlier priority date. As of today, USCIS has not only failed to comply with INA � 203(h)(3), but has also failed to promulgate regulations or issue policy memorandum regarding this provision of law.
�This case affects tens of thousands of immigrant families,� said Robert L. Reeves, founder and Managing Attorney of Reeves & Associates, APLC. �A child abroad who aged-out is eligible under CSPA for an immigrant visa, and if the child is in the United States, he or she will be able to adjust to legal resident status,� explained Mr. Reeves.
The class action lawsuit presents two different classes of aggrieved individuals. Nancy Miller, a partner with Reeves & Associates and co-counsel, describes the two classes as �those who filed petitions with requests for retention of the parent�s original priority date whose petitions were denied and those who have received no response at all to their requests for retention of the original priority date.� In both cases parents remain separated from their children.
Although USCIS has granted some visa petitions and permitted retention of the earlier priority dates pursuant to INA � 203(h)(3) to some, there appears to be no uniform policy from USCIS as a whole. Jeremiah Johnson, a partner with Reeves & Associates and co-counsel, said �the lack of any regulations or even policy memorandum has lead to arbitrary and inconsistent decision-making affecting thousands on a global level.� Joyce Komanapalli, an associate with Reeves & Associates and co-counsel, added �USCIS�s refusal to issue visa petitions with the original priority date is at odds with the language, structure, history and purpose of the Child Status Protection Act.�
�It is incomprehensible why USCIS would deny these requests given the plain language of the statute and the Congressional history of CSPA.� said Mr. Reeves.
The class action lawsuit is seeking to compel USCIS to properly adjudicate all cases filed under CSPA, or INA � 203(h)(3), and comply with the requirements of retaining the parent�s original priority date in subsequent petitions filed by the parent.
Posted on: 6/20/2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Los Angeles � Reeves & Associates, A Professional Law Corporation filed a class action lawsuit today in the U.S. District Court, Central District CA, Case Number SACV08-688 JVX (SHx) on behalf of tens of thousands of immigrant families whose adult children have been wrongfully denied of visas. Attorneys for the families are seeking to compel the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (�USCIS�) to act in accordance with the provision of Child Status Protection Act (CSPA) that enables children to reunite with their families more quickly.
Prior to CSPA children who reached the age of 21 were no longer eligible to obtain an immigrant visa with the rest of their family. These children became known as �age-outs.� However, Congress enacted Section 3 of CSPA, codified as INA � 203(h)(3), to keep children together with their parents. Specifically, this provision allowed children to automatically convert the visa petition and retain the original filing date � known as the priority date � after the child had aged out. As such, an aged-out child, who is a derivative beneficiary of the visa petition of his parent, can reunite with their family faster by utilizing their parent�s earlier priority date. As of today, USCIS has not only failed to comply with INA � 203(h)(3), but has also failed to promulgate regulations or issue policy memorandum regarding this provision of law.
�This case affects tens of thousands of immigrant families,� said Robert L. Reeves, founder and Managing Attorney of Reeves & Associates, APLC. �A child abroad who aged-out is eligible under CSPA for an immigrant visa, and if the child is in the United States, he or she will be able to adjust to legal resident status,� explained Mr. Reeves.
The class action lawsuit presents two different classes of aggrieved individuals. Nancy Miller, a partner with Reeves & Associates and co-counsel, describes the two classes as �those who filed petitions with requests for retention of the parent�s original priority date whose petitions were denied and those who have received no response at all to their requests for retention of the original priority date.� In both cases parents remain separated from their children.
Although USCIS has granted some visa petitions and permitted retention of the earlier priority dates pursuant to INA � 203(h)(3) to some, there appears to be no uniform policy from USCIS as a whole. Jeremiah Johnson, a partner with Reeves & Associates and co-counsel, said �the lack of any regulations or even policy memorandum has lead to arbitrary and inconsistent decision-making affecting thousands on a global level.� Joyce Komanapalli, an associate with Reeves & Associates and co-counsel, added �USCIS�s refusal to issue visa petitions with the original priority date is at odds with the language, structure, history and purpose of the Child Status Protection Act.�
�It is incomprehensible why USCIS would deny these requests given the plain language of the statute and the Congressional history of CSPA.� said Mr. Reeves.
The class action lawsuit is seeking to compel USCIS to properly adjudicate all cases filed under CSPA, or INA � 203(h)(3), and comply with the requirements of retaining the parent�s original priority date in subsequent petitions filed by the parent.
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01-18 11:35 AM
We have 2 threads talking about the same topic.. contribution .. While it's good to see both threads getting lot of hits, I suggest that we merge both of these threads so that we all get on the same page. Half the members are responding in one thread while other half are on the other thread and I think it's kind of distracting.
Mods, if you agree please merge the threads.
Mods, if you agree please merge the threads.
EB2_Unite
09-26 02:33 PM
I assume you all checked ur GC wait time - which probably gave u like 10yrs or 18 years from today. Are you expecting vertical spillover to put you on fast track lane?? say getting a GC in 2010? 2011?? 2012???
vertical spillover will only help EB3's that are very close to Visa Bulletin dates.
There are app 200k people waiting, changing how they allocate leftovers is not going to help 200k hungry people. What we need is more food (more Visa's).
I am awe'd by the shortsightedness of the solution being discussed in this thread. Do you really think vertical spillover is going to help an EB3 > jan 2006???
when we are ready to spend "X" $ on getting a law change for "vertical" spillover, why not spend "x+y" $ and put same effort and get a permanent solution - "Visa recapture" ???
Moreover the latter is certainly going to get you a bigger participation from EB community. Visa recapture will benefit the entire EB group and future applicants too.
I strongly urge you folks to think about these.
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Hi,
Whatever you or I (or similar people) say is only going to get us red dots. Even if EB2 people talk sense, no one in EB3 is going to listen. It is simple human behaviour - we are all here to safeguard our own interests. Not still sure if the forum is going to side with EB3 or remain neutral. Surely they can support EB3 - they have the liberty to do so and it is perfectly right. In that case, EB2 should create their own platform to defend their interests... May be EB2 guys should think about it...In my opinion, everyone has the right in a democracy to work legally towards their goal / ambition . This is absolutely jutsified. It is not a sin. All that I am trying to say is that EB2 folks should be proactive and act before it is too late.
If EB3 were to race ahead of EB2 tomorrow, will they support EB2 or work for equitable distribution? How many amongst EB3 have used the Labor substitution to their advantage? Will they back out now? Let them touch their heart and answer this, instead of giving red dots :)
vertical spillover will only help EB3's that are very close to Visa Bulletin dates.
There are app 200k people waiting, changing how they allocate leftovers is not going to help 200k hungry people. What we need is more food (more Visa's).
I am awe'd by the shortsightedness of the solution being discussed in this thread. Do you really think vertical spillover is going to help an EB3 > jan 2006???
when we are ready to spend "X" $ on getting a law change for "vertical" spillover, why not spend "x+y" $ and put same effort and get a permanent solution - "Visa recapture" ???
Moreover the latter is certainly going to get you a bigger participation from EB community. Visa recapture will benefit the entire EB group and future applicants too.
I strongly urge you folks to think about these.
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Hi,
Whatever you or I (or similar people) say is only going to get us red dots. Even if EB2 people talk sense, no one in EB3 is going to listen. It is simple human behaviour - we are all here to safeguard our own interests. Not still sure if the forum is going to side with EB3 or remain neutral. Surely they can support EB3 - they have the liberty to do so and it is perfectly right. In that case, EB2 should create their own platform to defend their interests... May be EB2 guys should think about it...In my opinion, everyone has the right in a democracy to work legally towards their goal / ambition . This is absolutely jutsified. It is not a sin. All that I am trying to say is that EB2 folks should be proactive and act before it is too late.
If EB3 were to race ahead of EB2 tomorrow, will they support EB2 or work for equitable distribution? How many amongst EB3 have used the Labor substitution to their advantage? Will they back out now? Let them touch their heart and answer this, instead of giving red dots :)
pappu
09-29 07:46 PM
We are spinning in circles here and it is like reinventing the wheel. This is THE grassroots org �THAT you want to set-up. already set up to achieve exactly that � YES, YES �We want Congress to introduce a bill to reduce backlogs. The core goal of IV is to have a bill that has our provisions. That is exactly what this organization was set up to achieve. You seem to be a newcomer to this struggle. Have you followed IV from 2005 Dec when a buch of members got together on some other forums and watched helplessly as good provisions (that were meant to allievate our troubles) were taken out at the last minute from a bill during debate.
Since then we have tried and tried and frankly have matured enough to understand that the politics of the immigration issue is complex and any standalone bill �just for us- has no chance.
Our provisions have to be clubbed with all the rest of the minor and major groups � that want reform. There is the nurses lobby, the doctors, the illegal lobby, the dream activists, and many other fringe groups, they all want their issues to be addressed. The anti-immigrants are a big opposition to any small relief that comes up in debate. NOW- We have learnt that we need to work with all these groups, form alliances and lobby hard to get a bill that has more support.
If you go meet with your lawmakers you will understand that our issue is a miniscule little piece of a bigger issue of Immigration. And different varying and sometimes opposing groups have to be accommodated. The politics of immigration is convulted with different factions of the society wanting different things � Our little issue is straightforward and we enjoy a lot more support for our provisions, unfortunately we were clearly told that we have to be clubbed with these other groups when it comes to seeking a bill for reform. We are being held hostage also by the Hispanic lobbyists, that feel that if smaller bills come up and are passed, there will be no apetite for their bigger issue of legalizing a big core of mostly Hispanic illegal immigrants.
FOR A RECAP- after this administration came into office �Jan 09- We had hopes and were promised that CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reform) will be taken up, if that fails then smaller bills will be allowed to be taken up. If you have watched the developments carefully �There was never a time and a lot of groups including IV lobbied and lobbied hard to be heard and to get a bill but- the legislative calendar with so much other priorities had no space for any immigration bill this year. After the healthcare bill, Nobody has had any energy for a big controversial bill.
Long story-short is YES, we want a bill (either clubbed with others) or amendments inserted into a bill- But have not been able to get it done.
The reason for this failure is us- IV Members. We have not met our lawmakers in the numbers that are important to make an impact. We have to do it every month- building pressure to get a positive sympathetic response. Now some members (including yours truly) have gone and met our respective lawmakers more than 6-8 times in the last year, but that is again not enough, that is just 20-25 odd members compared to total IV Strength of 40,000members. It has to be an ongoing effort, just like the dream activisits have done, they meet with lawmakers regularly, highlight their frustrations and are open to media �giving interviews and keeping their issue alive in the limelight.
IV has come up with specific recommendations for what we would like to see in a bill/s for our community. IV actively analyses any bill that comes up or has a chance to come up for debate. If you want to get your hands on that document, contact Anu or Pappu and ask for the IV_Advocacy package.
We do have a paid lobbying firm that represent our interests and educates lawmakers. This is not enough, because during debates lawmakers behave as if they do not have highly skilled immigrants in their constituency and so do not have to pay attention. This is mainly IV members fault, since we have not been able to visit lawmakers offices in the numbers that we should. Our members need to show up at lawmakers offices and educate them. Tell them you live in their constituency and represent IV so that when the lobbying firm does their work, they are paying attention and our voices are not ignored or drowned.
Individual members need to be open, honest, and courageous enough to talk to their lawmakers and media about issues we face. Just crying and debating on IV's website does not help. Talk about introducing a bill for us to your lawmakers � not here on IV.
Very Good post.
We salute your efforts in supporting IV, coming to advocacy days in DC this year, monthly contributions, volunteering and going for lawmaker meetings regularly in your state. If each one of us does this, things will be much different for our advocacy efforts.
Since then we have tried and tried and frankly have matured enough to understand that the politics of the immigration issue is complex and any standalone bill �just for us- has no chance.
Our provisions have to be clubbed with all the rest of the minor and major groups � that want reform. There is the nurses lobby, the doctors, the illegal lobby, the dream activists, and many other fringe groups, they all want their issues to be addressed. The anti-immigrants are a big opposition to any small relief that comes up in debate. NOW- We have learnt that we need to work with all these groups, form alliances and lobby hard to get a bill that has more support.
If you go meet with your lawmakers you will understand that our issue is a miniscule little piece of a bigger issue of Immigration. And different varying and sometimes opposing groups have to be accommodated. The politics of immigration is convulted with different factions of the society wanting different things � Our little issue is straightforward and we enjoy a lot more support for our provisions, unfortunately we were clearly told that we have to be clubbed with these other groups when it comes to seeking a bill for reform. We are being held hostage also by the Hispanic lobbyists, that feel that if smaller bills come up and are passed, there will be no apetite for their bigger issue of legalizing a big core of mostly Hispanic illegal immigrants.
FOR A RECAP- after this administration came into office �Jan 09- We had hopes and were promised that CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reform) will be taken up, if that fails then smaller bills will be allowed to be taken up. If you have watched the developments carefully �There was never a time and a lot of groups including IV lobbied and lobbied hard to be heard and to get a bill but- the legislative calendar with so much other priorities had no space for any immigration bill this year. After the healthcare bill, Nobody has had any energy for a big controversial bill.
Long story-short is YES, we want a bill (either clubbed with others) or amendments inserted into a bill- But have not been able to get it done.
The reason for this failure is us- IV Members. We have not met our lawmakers in the numbers that are important to make an impact. We have to do it every month- building pressure to get a positive sympathetic response. Now some members (including yours truly) have gone and met our respective lawmakers more than 6-8 times in the last year, but that is again not enough, that is just 20-25 odd members compared to total IV Strength of 40,000members. It has to be an ongoing effort, just like the dream activisits have done, they meet with lawmakers regularly, highlight their frustrations and are open to media �giving interviews and keeping their issue alive in the limelight.
IV has come up with specific recommendations for what we would like to see in a bill/s for our community. IV actively analyses any bill that comes up or has a chance to come up for debate. If you want to get your hands on that document, contact Anu or Pappu and ask for the IV_Advocacy package.
We do have a paid lobbying firm that represent our interests and educates lawmakers. This is not enough, because during debates lawmakers behave as if they do not have highly skilled immigrants in their constituency and so do not have to pay attention. This is mainly IV members fault, since we have not been able to visit lawmakers offices in the numbers that we should. Our members need to show up at lawmakers offices and educate them. Tell them you live in their constituency and represent IV so that when the lobbying firm does their work, they are paying attention and our voices are not ignored or drowned.
Individual members need to be open, honest, and courageous enough to talk to their lawmakers and media about issues we face. Just crying and debating on IV's website does not help. Talk about introducing a bill for us to your lawmakers � not here on IV.
Very Good post.
We salute your efforts in supporting IV, coming to advocacy days in DC this year, monthly contributions, volunteering and going for lawmaker meetings regularly in your state. If each one of us does this, things will be much different for our advocacy efforts.
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